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Age of the Fantasist: Wrestling Darkness 4

As bots deploy addictive algorithms for the sake of mass marketing, they train humanity for the Age of the Fantasist.

My guest in episode 4 of Wrestling Darkness is Professor Lawrence Lessig who explains in his essay, The Age of the Fantasist, how and why algorithmic media came to reward narratives that lie to us.

“The fantasist doesn’t worry that he will not please everyone. He’s not aiming for everyone. Indeed, he is aiming precisely to avoid appealing to everyone. Division drives attention in a world of fragmented media.” —Lawrence Lessig

Perhaps you’re not prepared for a conversation that bridges artificial intelligence (AI) and professional wrestling. Don’t worry, neither was Professor Lessig! But we did arrive at a helpful framework for decoding today’s media landscape, an important first step if we decide we want to change it.

AI selects for people (fantasists) and other content that resembles professional wrestling because it knows such fact-free hyperbole causes people to click, to watch, and to share. The aggregate impact is a threat to humanity, Lessig warns, because it divides us, and thus, makes us ripe for conquering.

AI is “the most extraordinary technology humanity has ever even conceived of,” he said during harrowing presentation at TedxBerlin in February. But, it is also one we need to watch “with the paranoia of the hunted.”

If you like episode 4, circle back to episode 2 which is closely related:

TWO UPDATES:

  1. The piece Professor Lessig was writing when we recorded this episode was subsequently a few hours after this episode. You can read it here.

  2. I am entering a Fair Use battle with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) and other corporations that own its content. Right now, the first two episodes of Wrestling Darkness are blocked on YouTube. The guests for these episodes have written books about professional wrestling and are critical of Vince McMahon’s treatment of women both on and off the screen. But the Fair Use doctrine was not intended to insulate entertainment corporations from criticism by academics or journalists. The U.S. government defines the Fair Use as a legal doctrine intended to promote freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances, including nonprofit educational purposes.

Regardless of the outcome, you can see all four episodes on Substack, and hear them on all the usual podcast apps such as Apple Podcast and Spotify.

—Eric

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Eric Byler
Wrestling Darkness
Professional Wrestling has not only transformed media, it has transformed aspects of American life that depend on media, most importantly politics, democracy, and electioneering.
Wrestling Darkness (available with video via https://ericbyler.substack.com) traces a cultural shift in America that began with the runaway success of professional wrestling in the 1980s. Wrestling's engrossing approach to melodrama — reflecting current political conflicts with scripted scenes and violent choreography prescribing good guys, bad guys and avenues for fan participation — was emulated by cable news, reality TV, and TV talk shows in the 1990s. Social media platforms have since deployed addictive algorithms that do the same, turning thousands of "influencers" into wrestlers with more (or sometimes less) clothing.
Thus, every American, even those who have never seen professional wrestling, is living in the world that wrestling made possible. Cultural literacy in 2025 requires a basic understanding of wrestling, its parlance, and its history. It helps explain how we became the society we are, and provides insights and guidance for those who wish to change it.
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